The Conservative party recently launched their own “No to AV” campaign, and displayed their arguments against the alternative vote on their website. I’m very interested in voting reform, so was keen to see what they had to say. I was very disappointed so discover that their arguments against AV do not make sense. Rather than presenting some of the disadvantages of AV (no system is perfect) or even an honest reason why the Conservatives are against it (“We think we will win less seats”) they give us what I describe as half-truths, scaremongering, selective observation, and (dare I say it) ourtight lies.
Myth #1: “AV is Unfair”
What they say: “With First Past the Post, everybody gets one vote. But under AV, supporters of extreme parties like the BNP would get their vote counted many times, while people who vote for one of the mainstream candidates would only get their vote counted once.”
Status: Untrue
This really depends how you look at it, you could assert that each vote gets counted a number of times, or even that votes for major parties, like the Conservative party get counted more than minor parties.
For example:
Let’s look at a fictional election conducted under AV:
First round results.
The Grand Party: 1234
The Big Party: 901
The Third Party: 564
The Fringe Party: 230
The Extremist Party: 87
The votes are all separated into different piles. Then we put the votes for the Grand party into a box labeled “Grand party”, the votes for the Big party into a box labeled “Big party” and so on.
Then our wonderful election volunteers get counting. They count the votes in the box maked “Grand party”, then the votes in the box marked “Big party”, and so on. At the end of the 1st round each of the parties have had the votes in the boxes counted once. Or you could say, each voter has had their votes counted once.
As no party has won over 50% of the vote, we move to a second round. The party with the lowest number of votes is eliminated, and the votes for that party are reassigned based on the second preferences. So, the volunteers empty out the box marked “Extremist party” and then put those votes into the boxes marked “Grand party”, “Big party”, “Third party”, “Fringe party”. Once those votes have been all put into boxes, they start counting again.
They count the votes in the box maked “Grand party”, then the votes in the box marked “Big party”, and so on. At the end of the 2nd round each of the parties have had the votes in the boxes counted twice. Or you could say, each voter has had their votes counted twice.
I could go on here, but I hope you get the point. With each round, every single vote is counted again. It’s simply untrue to say that votes for extremist parties are counted more than once. If you want to get hung up about how often votes are counted, you could even argue that AV discriminates against extremist parties. After the first round, the box marked “Extremist party” is thrown in the bin. That box only has its contents counted once. The boxes for the major parties get counted three or four times.
Myth #2: AV doesn’t work
What they say: “Rather than the candidate who receives the most votes winning the election, the person who finishes second or even third could be declared the winner.“
Status: Untrue
Can you really imagine a voting system that declared the person who finished second or third the winner actually being seriously considered? This is such a ridiculous claim that if I was a Conservative party supporter I would feel insulted by this. This doesn’t just insult the intelligence of the audience but also those Conservative MP’s who offered a referendum on AV as part of the coalition negotiations. Do we really think that they would offer such a system? Remember that they ruled out STV during these negotiations. Surely they would rule out such a ridiculous system as the one they describe here.
So why make such a claim?
They either don’t understand how AV works, or they think that the word “finished” doesn’t mean what the dictionary tells us it means. Under elections conducted with AV, the counting is finished once one party has won over 50% of the vote, or all of the other preferences have been exhausted. Look at this example, from
my blog post about a fictional election in Lilliput:
| Year 1905 |
1st Round |
2nd Round |
3rd Round |
4th Round |
5th Round |
6th Round |
| Cooked Boiled Eggers |
21 |
21 |
24 |
26 |
X |
X |
| Cooked Fried Eggers |
21 |
22 |
27 |
47 |
73 |
Winner |
| Cooked Scrambled Eggers |
21 |
21 |
22 |
X |
X |
X |
Vegan Party &
F.R.E.E.D. Alliance |
11 |
11 |
X |
X |
X |
X |
| Raw Eggers |
22 |
26 |
27 |
27 |
27 |
X |
| RAW EGGS OR DIE |
4 |
X |
X |
X |
X |
X |
So after the first round, the eventual winners, Cooked Fried Eggers, are in joint 2nd place! They’re not in front. Under FPTP, the electoral system that the Conservative party are defending, Raw Eggers would be declared winners and the party in 2nd place would lose. But this is not FPTP. The race isn’t over yet! This is AV, and there are more laps to be made. You cannot say that the party that has finished in 2nd place has been declared the winner because the election isn’t over yet. It hasn’t finished.
After we have counted the 2nd, 3rd and 4th preference votes, and we can say that the race is finished, the winners can be declared as Cooked Fried Eggers, cecause it is they who are in first place.
It’s a misrepresentation of how AV works. The people behind this are not stupid. They have enough intellect to understand how AV works, and that’s why I’m so disappointed that they are pretending that they have misunderstood AV like this.

Myth #3: AV is expensive
What they say: “Calculating the results is a long, complicated process, which would cost the taxpayer millions. It can take days to figure out exactly who has won.“
Status: untrue
Whether or not it takes longer to count, I couldn’t say. I would be surprised if it took days. It will probably take a few hours longer. At the last general election, the polls closed at 10:00pm on the 6th of May, and (ignoring the delayed vote on the 27th) the final result was declared at 17:00 the next day, 19 hours later. Will a few extra hours really make that much difference? The exit poll at 10pm on 6th May gave us a good picture of the outcome, and we knew the result of the election long before the final count was called. In my personal opinion, even if the vote did take a few days to count it would still be a price worth paying for a better democracy and more accountable MPs. It’ll be hard for enthusiasts like me to sit on our hands while we’re waiting for the result, but hey, almost half of us don’t give a shit about voting at all. Is a child-like impatience something we should sacrifice better democracy for?
Myth #4: AV is discredited
What they say: “Whereas First Past the Post is the most widely used system in the world, only 3 countries actually use AV – Fiji, Australia and Papua New Guinea. In Fiji they want to get rid of it, and in Australia six out of ten people want to scrap it.“
Status: untrue
AV is widely used. It’s used all over the world. It’s already used widely, even here in the UK. It’s used in: Australia, Canada, Fiji, Hong Kong, India, Republic of Ireland, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, United Kingdom, United States. In the UK it’s used for: Scottish & Northern Irish, elections within the House of Lords, and AV (or similar systems) is used to elect mayors across the UK, including the London mayor, and every major political party leader. The Labour party and the Liberal Democrat party both use AV to elect their leaders, and yes, the Conservative party, who are against AV,
use a form of run-off voting to elect their own leader. How hypocritical is that? Run-off voting is good enough for them but not for us? Hmmm.
Do Australians want to get rid of the Alternative Vote? No. They want to scrap compulsory voting (which we won’t be using even if we adopt AV). If they were were offered a straight choice between the Alternative Vote and First Past the Post (the system we are currently using),
two-thirds would choose the Alternative Vote.
Myth #5: No-one wants it
What they say: “Even the ‘Yes’ campaigners don’t actually want AV – they see it as a convenient stepping stone to even more reforms. Many of the Yes campaigners have previously criticised AV.”
Status: Untrue
Can’t you want something you’ve previously criticised? Didn’t David Cameron previously call his deputy Prime Minister “a joke” before the love-in in Downing Street’s rose garden? Anyway, we’re being offered a straight choice in the referendum. FPTP or AV. Pick your favourite. Cheese or chocolate. Oh, you wanted a cake? Well you can’t have chocolate then. No, no, no. You said you wanted cake. No, I’ll keep this chocolate because you want cake. Nom nom nom.
Anyway, I want AV. Claim disproven.
Claim #6: AV is not a proportional system
They say: “The independent commission chaired by the senior Liberal Democrat Roy Jenkins in 1998 concluded that AV was ‘even less proportional’ than our existing system, and warned that it was ‘disturbingly unpredictable”
Status:TRUE!
By jove, they’ve got one! Yes, it may be less proportional than our current system. Well, well, well. So, proportionality is a good thing yes? The Conservative party would prefer us to use a proportional system? WRONG.
In the negotiations that led to the coalition government, the Liberal Democrats wanted (with a successful referendum) our general election voting system to be changed to STV, a system based on proportional representation. The Conservative party ruled it out. They themselves rejected the possibility that we would move to a fully proportional system. Instead, they offered AV. They offered AV. The liberal democrats wanted a proportional system but the Conservatives refused. They offered a less proportional system, and are now critisising that system for being less proportional. That’s what’s so ridiculous about the one true argument that the Conservative party uses – it’s the Conservative party themselves who are standing in the way of a proportional system. It is they who have decided that our only option for electoral reform is the Alternative Vote.
The final image we’re left with is of a picture of Ed Milliband, under the banner “THE NEW LEADER OF THE LABOUR PARTY”, and the slogan “AV DOESN’T WORK”. One quick note on this. The fact of this election is that in a straight contest between David Milliband and Ed Milliband, Ed Milliband would have won. The truth is that Ed Milliband won 175,519 votes, compared to 147,220 for his brother, David. He has the biggest electoral mandate for leading his party than any of the three leaders. Nick Clegg won with 20,988 votes and David Cameron with 134,446. Oh, and it’s worth remembering that David Cameron LOST the first round of his election. He came second.

Update (13th March):
This blog post has created a bit of a stir with Conservative No2AV supporters, and I’ve even been called a liar for stating that David Cameron was elected under AV.
Forgive me if I haven’t articulated my point adequately, but nowhere in my blog post do I state that David Cameron was elected using AV.
I merely draw comparisons between the election of Cameron to leadership of the Tories and an AV election. There are many similarities. Conservative MPs use run-off voting to select the two candidates that the wider Conservative party membership can then vote on. This isn’t FPTP, as asserted by many No2AV campaigners – using run-off voting to narrow the candidates down to two is exactly what AV does. The main difference is that under AV, the run-offs are instant and all voting takes place in the same ballot. Another difference is that AV doesn’t lock out a set of voters for the first rounds.
Nevertheless, my point was to highlight the flawed logic employed by the Conservative party on this issue – that if you “Finish” the first round of voting in second place you shouldn’t be declared the winner. The first round of the Conservative leadership election saw David Davis “Finish” first, and David Cameron second. I am simply pointing out the hypocricy within their argument.